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In this video Joshua Evans -a former Youth Minister- shares 10 reasons why Jesus can not be God. Get your note book put ready for this one, we’ll be giving you the top 10 reasons why Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him) can not be God. Please open and clear your mind and try to really be sincere with yourself as you watch this show. If you’re a Christ worshiper, all we’re trying to do is to bring you the truth. We hope you’ll enjoy.
Host Eddie: Bismillah, Alhamdulillah, Essalamu Alaykum: which means peace on to you, welcome to an other episode of the Deen Show, this is the only show on Islam and Muslims, thank you for coming to learn about the most misunderstood way of life in the world today which is practiced by a over 1.5 billion human beings, all over the world. So we want to help you, develop a better understanding and there’re certain issues and myths that we like to clear up here in the show, one of them which is prominent in the world today is that God Almighty the Creator can be a man, so we are going to be discussing this topic, with our next guest, and giving you some of the top 10 reasons why God the Almighty can not be a man.
One note here, is that we’re going to be discussing something that might be a little sensitive to some people, about one who is beloved to our hearts, his name is Jesus. We want to note that everyone knows, before we start, that we love Jesus. Jesus in Islam, which means surrendering and submission to the the creator of the heavens and the earth alone, without any partners; is one of the mightiest messengers that God has sent to deliver the same message that started from the beginning of time. That there’s only one God that you worship, that God alone, without no associates.
So today our next guest is a former Christian minister, actually a youth minister, and he’s accepted Islam several years back, he’s going to help us tackle this topic, so sit tight, you don’t wanna go nowhere, we’re giving you Top 10 reasons why Jesus (peace be upon him) cannot be God.
Host: Essalamu Alaykum brother, thank you for coming with us again..
Jushua Evans: wa’alaykum essalam, thank you for inviting me, always, always a pleasur to be on the Deen Show..
Host: yes, this is Jushual Evans, he has a special section, on the deenshow.com , you go and click on his picture, he has a bunch of topics. Now I want to make a note to some people, we’re not trying to hurt somebody’s feelings, we’re trying to deliver the truth, and I want people to know that we love Jesus, he’s very dear to us, he’s one of the mightiest messengers that God sent to humanity, he was sent to the children of Israel at that time..
Joshua Evans: yes, all of that..
Host: he did many mighty miracles, by the permission of God..
Joshua Evans: yes,
Host: and he healed the sick, the blind, the lepers, correct
Joshua Evans: yes, absolutely!
Host: He revived the dead, by God’s permission
Joshua Evans: all of that..
Host: he was the word of God on Earth, but he never claimed divinity
Joshua Evans: no he never claimed, in fact the amazing thing about Islam that everyone should know is that: we are the only other religion that is a tenet of faith that you must believe in Jesus the Christ and everything he did, or you CAN NOT BE A MUSLIM, if that is missing, if you say that you don’t believe in Jesus, you have stepped out of Islam, you can not be a Muslim, our tenet of faith is to believe in and love Jesus Christ..
Host: so if you don’t believe in him, you’re out of Islam!
Joshua Evans: you can not be a Muslim.. We’re going in a descending order, top 10 reasons, working our way to number one, the most important reason.
NUMBER 10: God was Not Born, Jesus Was born
Joshua Evans: First reason, beginning of the beginning, that Jesus can not be God and the reason why we’re going over this topic, is because it’s an issue of salvation. we want everyone to be saved, and this issue is a very important issue for Christians, Muslims, Jews, why Jesus can not be God, is that God can not be born, God did not come into existence, He’s always existed, He did not come into existence from non-existence, He was not born, He was not created, He has always been before there was even a thing called : Time! and as we always known, Jesus Christ ( peace be upon him) was born, He was born without a father, yes indeed that was one of his true miracles, but he was indeed born, he was in the womb for nine months, and he was born, so that by its very nature, shows that he does not have the same quality and characteristics that God has, God can not be born, Jesus was born. so those two people can not be one in the same.
Host: That’s number 10 now, God has no beginning, Jesus (peace upon him) had a beginning, Ok, number Nine,
NUMBER 09: Jesus Never Said I Am God , And Never Said ” Worship Me”
Joshua Evans: number nine, would be that there are no explicit verses in any scriptural text, especially the Bible that say so. Now, God when He speaks of things, when He talks of His own characteristics, and who He is, He very very explicit; for instance, in Isaiah: 46:09, God says: ” I am God, and there is nothing else, I am God and there is none like Me”. Also the verses that Jesus quoted, he said: ” Hear O Israel, which is the one recorded in the Jewish Synagogues, every time they have service, ” Hear O Israel, the Lord, Our God, is but One God, and then, there is none else” and we all know the verses, you can go through the Old Testament and read about God’s characteristics when He describes Himself, it is always Explicit!. Now, there are some verses, in the New Testament, which can be implicitly interpreted as Jesus had claimed some type of Divinity, but if that was such a big characteristic, if it was such a big deal that Jesus was God, if this was the way to salvation, that he was God in the flesh, come to sacrifice himself for the sins of humanity, then, that is something God would have been explicit about, because it is an issue of salvation. God does not beat around the bush about these type of issues, when it comes to who He is, He is very clear with the Children of Israel, I am God, there’s none like Me, do not worship anything else. An Jesus came and quoted the same very verses, so if it would have been an issue of salvation that he was God, he would have very clearly stated: I am God! He would not have told the Jews when they said that you call yourself God, he said: you say that I am, he would have very clearly said Yes! I’m God and I’m here to save you from your sins, he never stated that in anywhere and it’s never referenced in any scriptural text of any religion whatsoever, so therefore, if God is so explicit about His nature, why when it comes to Him becoming a man, why did He not explicitly stated so.
Host: So explicit, that means it’s lucid, it’s clear , it’s unambiguous, something unequivocal..
Joshua Evans: it’s not something that you need a scholar to interpret, if God’s nature was that He was coming in the form of a man, He would have made it so even a five-year-old child can understand
Host: I want to be really fair now, alright, we got some theologians, some Bible scholars that will come and disagree with you, they will say, you know what? John 01:01 ” The beginning was the word, the word was God, and the word became God ” an other one: I am before Abraham was I , now me, as a Layman, personally, you know, I don’t really, if I’m reading that, it’s a little bit ambiguous but you go ahead an comment on this..
Joshua Evans: well that also comes from what standpoint you looking at those verses as, if you look at them from aspect that you have never heard of the Trinity, you’ve never heard that Jesus came in the form of a man, then these verses would not say that to you, these verses will not say anything other than what they’re meant to say. For instance, In the beginning, was the Word, the Word became .. we also believe that Jesus was God’s Word made manifest, that’s what he is, God said to him Be, and he was, he was God’s spoken word on this earth , so we believe that verse, : ” I am the way, the truth and life, no one comes to the Father except by me, we believe that verse, we just interpret it in the light of everything else that God has said. when you put it in the light of everything that God has always said, it always makes sense but if you want to take those verses out, and try to prove a point with them, I can say that God doesn’t exist and I can go and find some verses from the Bible, put them together, and be like: look! there’s ten verses right here, that show God doesn’t exist! you know what I’m saying, You can make the Bible say anything you want to, you can make the Qur’an say anything you wanted to, if you know how to pick and choose correctly and interpret them in the light of a preconceived notions, but if you look at these verses analytically along with the explicit verses where God describes His nature, in the explicit verses where Jesus describes God’s nature, they become very very clear-cut
Host: so these verses, you’re saying, I just mentioned, these are verses that someone can deduct and someone that is a theology wants to prove a point, he’ll take these and try to prove it, but overall, there’s no clear-cut unambiguous statement where Jesus (peace be upon him) ever said: I am your creator, worship me.
Joshua Evans: never..
Host: he never said that!
Joshua Evans: there’s not a verse in the Bible with that explicit statement..
Host: you heard it here, on the Deen Show!. Number Eight, talk to me about it..
NUMBER 08: No One Has Ever Seen God
Joshua Evans: The Bible says by God’s own word, no one has ever seen God at any time, this is very clear, in John 01: 18 it says: No man has seen God at any time, even Jesus own statement in John 05: 37 Jesus says: ” and the Father Himself which hath sent me, hath borne witnesse of me, and you had neither heard His voice, nor seen His face at any time” and Jesus was standing right there amongst them, so had he been God, why would he say you have never seen God at any time?! you understand? this is what I’m talking about, this is clear-cut, you have never seen God, if he would have been God, he would have said: You’re looking at God right now , you want to see God, look at me, you have seen Him, and there are some verses in the Bible someone can reiterate and say ok we said anyone who has seen me has seen the Father, you know! or I and the Father are one, You know? but if you read the context of the verses rather than just taking a sentence out, if you read the context of four or five different verses, you will see that he was speaking of being one in purpose, even in the one he said: I and the Father are one, he was speaking about just no one can pluck the children of God out of God’s hand, no one can pluck them out of my hand because I and the Father are one, meaning we are one in purpose, we have the same exact mission, I am coming as God’s message bearer to humanity, we are one in the same and what we want from you. I am God’s representative, anything that He wants is my will, so if you understand them in that light, explicitly, then you understand that Jesus said that no man has seen God at any time, and this is also in the Quran. Moses asked to see God in the Qur’an and He said, look at the mountain, if the mountain can see me, you can see Me, then if you can bear my sight , then you can see me, we know that when God showed Himself to the mountain, it crumbled into pieces and then Moses repented and said I’m sorry, basically that I don’t want to see you.. We can Not stand to see God, God is not something that can come in the form of a human being, I mean, you can not contain God’s essence inside of a physical form, that is to lessen God beyond extent, to put Him inside a physical form, He’s too great to be put in any form of any dynamiters or in any parameters, in any dimensions, any box, you can’t put God in any box ..
Host: Top ten reasons why Jesus (peace be upon him) the one we love, was one of the mightiest messengers of God, he delivered the same message, that there’s only one God, worship Him alone, not His creation, can not be God.. Number Seven, talk to me brother..
Number 07 : Jesus Never Taught The Trinity
Jushua Evans: Number seven is this concept was not taught by Jesus or his disciples nor was it believed in by the followers of the decree and the early followers of Christianity, as we see, when they found the Dead Sea Scrolls in Qumran we see that the early Christians were still a part of the Judaism, for instance, if you read the book of Acts, when Jesus Christ had departed from this earth, the disciples, still, daily, attended the synagogue. They still daily went to the temple of the Jerusalem and worshiped, as the Jews worship, because this is what Jesus Christ brought, he brought the renewal of the Laws of Moses, so if the disciples were running around, teaching people that Jesus was God, they would have been banished out of the temple the day they walked in, or they would have started their own church, Jesus went to the temple himself, he did not built his own church anywhere and said worship me, he went to the temple, and worshiped God in the same way Moses worshiped God, in the same way Abraham worshiped God, the same way David worshiped God, the same way that Zachariah worshiped God, you know, he did exact the same thing, and his disciples followed him, and if you look at the 1st , 2nd century Christians, they did the same thing. The people of Qumran, the first disciple who wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls, they were also a part of Judaism, they considered themselves practicing Jews who follow Jesus as their prophet. So we see that nothing has changed, this whole concept of the Trinity, did not come about until the 3rd century of the church and it was not formulated as a doctrine that must be believed in, until 325 AD at the council of Nicaea, when all of the bishops in the scholars of Christianity which started to form the Christianity , after Paul came together and said, Key, this is a doctrine that we must believe in, and the first person to expound this doctrine was Paul, who never saw Jesus Christ himself , never walked with him, never ate with him, never learnt. It was something that he formulated out of vision, that he said he had, while he was on the road to Damascus to actually persecute Christians! So he was the first person to ever come up with this title of Christian, ever come up with this title of Trinity, ever come up with the god-ship of Jesus Christ or only begotten son , all these things came with Paul the apostle.
Host: is the word Trinity ever mentioned in the Bible?
Jushua Evans: it does not exist, and there’s only one verse that even barely, mentions that, is John 05 and 7 ” ..And there are three that bare record on earth, the Father, the son .. but if you go and research that verse, almost, all biblical scholars have removed that verse from the Bible because it is not a verse that was ever in the Bible. if you go and get a revised Standard Version of the Bible, a New Standard Version of the Bible, all of those have removed that verse because it is explicitly not a part of the Bible, it is not found in any manuscript before 1200 .
Host: God is One, not three and one, worship Him alone, we’re talking about the creator, of the heavens and the earth, that He can not be a man, the top 10 reasons why Jesus (peace be upon him) can not be God, we are number 06..
Number 06: Jesus Ate, Slept and Prayed
Jushua Evans: number six reason, is a very big one and very plain one, Jesus ate, slept and prayed. He ate, slept and prayed, and we know God by His very nature is Self-sufficient, He does not need anything to continue His existence. God does not need to eat, God does not need to sleep, God does not need to pray. God is not in need of anything because if He was in need of something then He would not be God. He would need something else other than Himself to exist, that, therefore, that would not make Him, that would take away His God-ship, and we know that Jesus Christ was born, we know that he ate, we know that he slept, we know that he prayed, had he not ate, slept, prayed or drank any water, he would have died, therefore, he was not self-sufficient , he needed something to continue his existence, therefore, by his very nature of being not sub-sufficient and God being Sub-sufficient, those two things can’t mix, you can’t be self-sufficient and not self-sufficient all at the same time. And then, Jesus prayed, he was in need of prayer anytime he had an issue, he would pray he would tell the disciples, I need to go pray, wait here while I pray, he would go to the temple pray, prostrating on his face on the ground, this is his very nature, showed that he was in need of something greater than himself because that is the essence of prayer; is showing that you’re in need of someone who is greater than you. Even people who worship idols, they would believe that idol is greater than them, therefore, they prayed to it, so if Jesus was God, why would he need his prayer, he would have been telling people to pray to him, you need to pray to me, I don’t need to pray to anyone, so therefore, by his very nature of necessity of him being in need of something else, he can not be God.
Host: we’re halfway through, here on the Deen Show, the top 10 reasons, why Jesus ( peace be upon him) can not be the creator of the heavens and the earth, he was indeed mighty messenger , sent by the creator of the heavens and earth, but his is not God. Sit tight, don’t go nowhere, some people are getting a little restless, we’re not trying to hurt nobody’s feelings, we’re here to deliver the truth, stop trying to sit here and let your mind play with you trying to refute something, so sit tight, we’re almost through! and listen! open your mind, be humble hearted, let’s go number 05..
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